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March 23, 2009

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Tim Green

Rohn, conflicts will occur. Communication can ameliorate but not stop or resolve conflicts in the larger sense. (Micro-conflicts may be resolved). Inherent in communication is the slippery mess of language. If we recognize that we invented language (roughly 50k to 100k years ago as we evolved a larynx) and if we realize language is not reality (whatever that is) but a symbolic mediation between us and reality, then language (and all communication) is cultural construct with inherent limitations (ambiguity, indeterminacy, etc.). Language is an evolutionary creation and it is incredibly useful. However, it is the source of many conflicts and the aggravator of many others. Language is an arbitrary system and it is not isomorphic with the universe; that is, it is a largely metaphorical system, a system of categories, and a self-referential system. It works wonderfully, but its wonder does not guarantee, nor can it ever guarantee, clarity or the full, mutual understanding of separate minds. Language gives us a means of talking about things and non-things; it has no way of resolving differences. Au contraire, when it is not the source of conflict, it exacerbates conflicts. Lo, look not, Dear Rohn, for salvation through communication. If you want salvation (or happiness or transcendence), you will have to seek within yourself some sort of unity. This unity or singularity will be wordless; it will a silent singularity. If it is put into words, it dissolves into fragments and gets lost in the nooks and crannies of language. In unity lies the only resolution of conflict, and unity resides outside of language. Alas, this unity seems to be self-actualizable, not socially actualizable--for we cannot be social ordinarily without communication. Find some sort of social beingness that excludes language and social unity may be possible, but only then via some mysterious synchronicity or wordless communion that I have never experienced. Cheers, Tim, your St. Edward's buddy

rohn bayes

an awesome thesis tim and well received - but suppose one were to have this mysterious and self-actualized synchronicity and wanted then to somehow communicate this state of unity and happiness to other people ?? and if using words did not suffice using music painting or teaching students english 1301 might

if humans can feel with their heart as well as think with their brain then we have the potential to communicate something beyond the limitations of thought aye even poetry yields to song which yields to true inspiration which lies all around us in the reality of living
like a guest like a king living like a blessed child upon this mother's earth

transcendent is not where it's at - being here now on this place doing this thing would serve us better and be more fun i think

it's true - language casts it's own shadow but sincere and simple can open doors shut and rusty from lack of use - works for me sometimes/sometimes not but nothing works all the time

doesn't it ??

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